ISIS(L) = A TOOL OF THE SAUDIS? Oct 2, 2014 Interview of Ali Al-Ahmed on The Real News Network
Interview on The Real News Network with Ali Al-Ahmed, Director of the Institute of Gulf Affairs in Washington and a Saudi scholar and expert on Saudi political affairs including: terrorism, Islamic movements, Wahhabi Islam, Saudi political history, Saudi-American relations, torture, press freedom and the al-Saud family history. He has been invited to speak at Princeton University, Amnesty International, the Hudson Institute and Meridian International Center. He exposed major news stories such as the Pentagon’s botched translation of the 9ll Bin Laden tape, and the video of Daniel Pearl’s murder.
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PAUL JAY, SENIOR EDITOR, The Real News Network: USA says war on ISIS(L) is to degrade and destroy it — But it has a rather strange set of alliances, and perhaps one of the strangest of all these alliances is the alliance between Saudi Arabia and said the United States. According to Senator Bob Graham, Saudi Arabia was actually involved in the attacks of 9ll and it’s acknowledged to contribute to around 95% of all terrorism, playing on both sides of the terrorism question. So what is the role and relationship of Saudi Arabia to ISIS(L) and why are they so intent on overthrowing Assad in Syria?
JAY: Ali Al-Ahmed is an expert on Saudi and Gulf region politics, and on terrorism. This is a very complicated time in the Middle East, particularly the war in Syria, the emergence of IS or ISIS(L) in Iraq. President Obama says American intelligence underestimated IS, and it’s kind of weird because some people have called the success of IS militarily one of the greatest routs of the an army in modern history — the rout of the USA-$TRILLION Trained Iraqi army. Why did USA fail so badly and also our Intelligence on IS power Failed even worse since the Saudis must have known?
ALI AL-AHMED, DIRECTOR, INSTITUTE FOR GULF AFFAIRS: The Americans have partnership problem that relies on unreliable allies = Jordan + Saudi Arabia + Big Oil Monarchs and Dictators. These SO-CALLED Allies mislead giving misinformation to USA intelligence. The Iraqi government aligned with Iran, chose not to work with USA intelligence and security robbing the USA of these far more honest and reliable allies.
FACT: Saudi Arabia = Purposefully misleads the Americans even before 9ll.
AL-AHMED: Saudi Arabia is the godfather of ISIS and other terror groups in Syria and in Iraq. So Saudi Arabia is absolutely deceiving the USA. And that’s their game since the 1930s. They are very good at it.
JAY: In Syria the Saudis thought they could use ISIS(L) and kind of control them, while they overthrew Assad, and then, when Assad’s gone, they would then be able to contain these forces. Do you think they have lost control of ISIS(L) or is what ISIS(L) following the Saudi agenda?
AL-AHMED: It is very much part of the Saudi agenda. If you look at what ISIS has been doing it correlates to the Saudi foreign policy in Iraq and in Syria to dislodge or to weaken the Iraqi and Syrian governments. So ISIS is doing that for them. I don’t know if they have lost control of them. There is no evidence of that yet. But the Saudi and Qatar’s goals in Syria was not to remove Assad and replace it with a democratic regime. They wanted to make sure that if Assad is gone, there is not a Democratic, pluralistic, representative government in Syria that gives a model for the region, for the people in the Gulf, that you can have a government that is run by Sunnis and Allawis and Shia and Christians that can work in terms of representation.
AL-AHMED: The Gulf absolute monarchies fear people within a society working together and electing their own government. Gulf Oil Dictators DNA see democracy as extremely dangerous to their absolute Dictatorship. They use Overwhelming Violence and MURDER/Beheadings (Ancient Wahabism) to prevent any power of the people to elect leaders.
JAY: An organization called INEGMA, a military think tank that works with Saudis and other military leaders and they say the Saudis are willing to work with the Iranians to fight ISIS(L). But the Saudis prime goal is overthrowing Assad so the Iranians would have to give up supporting Assad. But the whole point of the Saudis overthrowing Assad was a way to overthrow Iran.
AL-AHMED: Absolutely. Big part of the Saudis game is to overthrow Iran which is propping up the Syrian government in many ways. The Saudis ARE OBSESSED WITH containing or eliminating Syrian and Iranian power and influence in the Middle East.
FACT: 1931: Avraham Tehomi/T’homi (born as Zilberg, 1903–1990) was a noted Jewish militant who founded the terrorist organization Irgun Zvai Leumi (National Military Organization) to liberate Palestine from British occupation and Arabs residents (Palestine) and they allegedly killed Jacob Israel de Haan. Tehomi nickname in the Irgun was “Gideon”.
AL-AHMED: Saudis are very pragmatic and did a very similar ISIS(L) mode of operation in the 1930s with a very similar group to ISIS led by the Saudis attacked by the British at the time. The 1930s Saudi group, very much like ISIS, attacked Syria and Iraq, known as the /χwɑːn/, later destroyed by the Saudi government itself. Saudis are driven by one thing, the survival of the monarchy and anything that it takes to do that, they will do it, including killing their own offsprings and cutting their own tentacles in Syria and Iraq.
JAY: Supposedly Saudis are now joining the bombing of ISIS(L) in Iraq and Syria = Their phone parallel policy: you act like an American ally over here; on the other hand, you helped finance and organize the extremists you’re supposedly fighting.
AL-AHMED: Absolutely. A similar example is Pakistan, a USA ally, that receives $Billions of USA MIDDLE CLASS SUPPORT and has a nuclear bomb the USA made no fuss about, but the Taliban and AQ Contractors are housed and supported by the Pakistani government’s ISI intelligence and military security apparatus. That USA support for Pakistan, the Taliban and AQ Contractors continues for another 10+ Years even though the Taliban killed thousands of American and other Western soldiers and far more Afghani people. The USA GOV has not been successful in terms of its choices of allies for success.
ASIDE: FOR USA MIC = SUCCESS IS NOT THE GOAL = THE ENDLESS EXTRACTION OF WEALTH VIA ENDLESS WARS IS THE GOAL + SPLINTERING NATIONS into weak failed states THAT ARE EASILY DOMINATED AND EXPLOITED BY MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS for Resources and slave level labor!
AL-AHMED: The Saudis, pretend to be in USA coalition so they are not seen as openly against the USA and supporting ISIS(L). They made the rational, pragmatic choice to pretend.
JAY: Likewise the ISIS(L) pretends to target the Saudi regime using rhetoric — Calling them blasphemers for (pretending) to work with the Americans — Largest Wahhabi Crimes is working with the infidels (USA). You’re suggesting that’s more rhetoric than it is any real intent to try to foment some kind of uprising within Saudi Arabia.
AL-AHMED: That is correct. The paid Saudi voices pretend ISIS(L) is a threat to Saudi Arabia is empty rhetoric and there is zero such evidence. In fact, ISIS(L) has been on the Saudi-Iraqi border and not attempted to infiltrate or bomb or kill or do anything to Saudis — its a smoke screen.
AL-AHMED: Perhaps we will see some small attacks here or there, used as part of the deception process that we see used in the Middle East, not only in Saudi Arabia but also in Egypt — with attacks on Christians to be blamed on Muslim extremists. That kind of deception is common in the region as a cover or smoke screen.
JAY: Just more confirmation the Saudis constantly mislead the Americans, and did not give the Americans legitimate intelligence on ISIS(L) to help it grow and rob banks and oil fields. But how could the Americans not have better intelligence on their own? They’ve been in this region for years now.
AL-AHMED: USA system failure by American officials (I don’t want to mention names), but a woman running the terror files during the Bush era is basically a Saudi mouthpiece. If you have close relationship between USA officials and the Saudi monarchy you end up with the officials getting fat contracts after they leave office. The former head of the FBI (Robert Mueller) now is on the Saudi docket (REVOLVING DOOR OF BRIBERY FOR FAVORS).
AL-AHMED: These USA-SAUDI relationships that benefit USA officials personally undermine the ability of USA intelligence and setting up files to force the decisions the Saudis want — The right decisions based on personal financial interest is the first motivator for far too many of these officials — Much more important to them than the interests and the safety of the United States.
AL-AHMED: That’s why when you talk about Senator Bob Graham saying that the Saudi government is involved somehow in 9ll, but we have not seen any American effort to bring Saudi Arabia to account, or even publicly saying, you have to clean house. Nothing has been done.
JAY: We did a series of interviews with Senator Bob Graham and he specifically says that the Saudi government, not some rogue princes, as sometimes is suggested, was directly involved in facilitating and helping to finance the 9ll attacks. There’s 28 pages of redacted pages in the joint congressional 9ll report, and we know from various sources, including the L.A. times and New York Times, who interviewed people who saw those pages, that in those pages it specifically names names of Saudi officials.
JAY: And I asked Senator Bob Graham directly whether Prince Bandar was involved, and he essentially said yes. Bandar was the Saudi ambassador to the United States at that time and known as Bandar Bush, he was so close to the Bush family. Therefore, American authorities know the role of the Saudis in all of this, and yet they’re treated like a normal ally. What is going on here other than what you suggest, individuals get money/bribes? But still there’s something more than that.
AL-AHMED: An article in Politico addressed this issue and say that is why Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries are immune from U.S. criticism despite their horrible human rights record, despite the fact they support terrorism that has killed many Americans. It’s not complicated if we compare China to Saudi Arabia.
FACTS: CHINA = USA TARGET = Own $1.3 trillion of U.S. debt and are a much greater, and far more powerful nation than Saudi Arabia, selling USA $450+ Billion of goods/Year = USA protects a lot of Chinese dissidents
FACTS: SAUDIS = USA ALLIE = USA buys only $55 Billion of Saudis OIL products/year. = USA never criticizes Saudi Arabia Dictatorship and Human Rights VIOLATIONS and beheadings.
AL-AHMED: So what causes this odd variance? Saudis and Big Oil Dictatorship invest heavily in buying USA opinions and loyalties with BRIBERY of Washington, D.C. public and private officials. This includes think tanks, universities, and former government officials. Current officials are given the nod and know that when you leave your office you have a good $Contract coming up. — THAT IS THE REVOLVING DOOR BRIBERY PROBLEM infecting our foreign policies and purposely choosing the wrong allies.
FACT: The 95% hated Congress that takes massive bribes will NEVER try to correct this — Congress is AIPAC-WALL STREET-ISRAEL-SAUDI-BIG OIL owned and operated. So Congress will never do anything that reveals this to the public or removes these Big Oil Monarchs from partnering with USA while also Destroying our Buildings and creating ENDLESS WARS.
AL-AHMED: The result is absolute Monarchical Dictatorships are able to BUY influence — NOT only USA GOV officials, but academic and think tanks in the United States and can pull off enormous arm purchases as the #4 Largest spender on their military at $60+ Billion/year
JAY: The Saudi logic is to overthrow Syria, the linchpin of this whole war for the Saudis and ISIS(L), since they were losing to Assad forces. USA logic is that if we have successful military operations against ISIS(L) in Iraq, then ISIS(L) will move back to destroy Assad in Syria and USA will with Saudi Arabia train and arm “supposed moderate” forces to fight Assad and ABSURDLY fight ISIS(L) — Seems like a complete debacle. The Saudis are intently focused on Overthrowing Assad but refuse allowing any democratization of Syria — So why do the Saudis care if Assad stays?
AL-AHMED: Saudis #1 GOAL is to weaken HEZBOLLAH. Saudis don’t care if Assad stays since Iran is the Saudis REAL TARGET! Capturing Syria blocks Iran’s access to the Mediterranean, and therefore stops most support for Hezbollah (see definition below), to weaken them.
AL-AHMED: Saudis #2 GOAL is to NEVER let a modern secular democratic or semi-Democratic state in Syria orr Iraq that could insight rebellion at home against the medieval Dictatorships of the Big Oil Monarchs.
JAY: Is ISIS(L) is an instrument of the Saudis, how can American intelligence and political leaders not get this?
AL-AHMED: Some of them know it, but choose to ignore Saudi-ISIS(L), just like 9ll. This is the same case with Qatar, UAE, and Kuwait. Sometimes these things become so public sometimes it’s embarrassing. We know Qatar is supporting AQ Contract Killers and that includes ISIS(L) and al-Nusra which yells threats at USA.
AL-AHMED: Yet Kerry has refused to say anything about Qatar, as if Qatar,s 280,000 residents form a superpower. Why can’t Kerry criticize Qatar or Bahrain? Because, of the the money spent on former USA officials, think tanks, foundations, and other U.S. officials. That is the difference from China and other countries.
JAY: Right. But there must also be a convergence of interests. It’s not like the USA wants popular democracy all across the Middle East. The USA funds dictators now and for more than half a century.
AL-AHMED: USA has not stated its support of democracy in the Middle East — See my NYT article saying that USA government never talks about its support for democracy or a constitutional monarchy in Bahrain, or for resignation of the prime minister in Bahrain who’s been there for 44 years. USA publicly acknowledges its policy is to support absolute monarchies in the Gulf, and has said nothing beside that. USA has not said, we would like to see the people in the Gulf, in Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, U.A.E., Qatar, have a greater role in their government. We have not heard that. No. You’re right.
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Iraqi Governor Hires U.S. Lobbyist To Fight ISIS — The effectiveness of lobbyists in reclaiming land from ISIS remains untested.
The governor of the Iraqi province of Mosul is paying a U.S. consulting firm $300,000 to help him fight ISIS.
IRAQ = Hired a McLean, Virginia firm called Chartwell Consultancy to “assist in reclaiming land from Islamic State.”
Saudi Arabia = Buying out Residents along the borders of Yemen and Oman to move out and create an additional 10km buffer zone.
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DEFINITION OF HEZBOLLAH: Hezbollah is a Shi’a Islamist political party funded by Iran and based in Lebanon.
Hezbollah was primarily formed to offer resistance to the Israeli occupation of Arab lands. After the 1982 invasion, Israel occupied a strip of south Lebanon, which was controlled by a militia supported by Israel, the South Lebanon Army (SLA). Hezbollah waged a guerilla campaign against them; with the collapse of the SLA, Israel withdrew on May 24, 2000.
Hezbollah has seats in the Lebanese government, a radio and a satellite television-station, programs for social development and large-scale military deployment of fighters.
Hezbollah maintains strong support among Lebanon’s Shi’a population.
Hezbollah receives military training, weapons, and financial support from Iran, and political support from Syria.
In August 2008, Lebanon’s new Cabinet unanimously approved a draft policy statement which secures Hezbollah’s existence as an armed organization and guarantees its right to “liberate or recover occupied lands”.
Since 2012, Hezbollah has helped the Syrian government during the Syrian civil war in its fight against the Saudi Arabian and Big Oil Monarchs USA opposition = a “Wahhabi-Zionist” effort to destroy its alliance with Assad against Israel.
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